Podcast Episode 2

Understanding your personality type, values and priorities

In this episode, Fleur and Kym discuss their approaches to discovering their values and dream jobs, and Kym starts the process of developing skills to get her where she wants to be, including an online short course.

Transcript of Podcast Episode 2 (lightly edited)

Voiceover 0:01
Welcome to the Career After COVID podcast, preparing for success after the pandemic, with Fleur Hull and Kym Kraljevic.

Fleur Hull 0:11
Hi Kym, how are you today?

Kym Kraljevic 0:13
I'm really good. How are you?

Fleur Hull 0:16
Good. It's been a good week, another busy week, just being in isolation strangely, as the time gets filled up, doesn't it?

Kym Kraljevic 0:24
It is it's a sort of a high high functioning, isolation or something, you know, just a high functioning nervous breakdown.

Fleur Hull 0:45
I mean, look, I get that some people are bored. And I guess there's the boredom. I read that someone was talking about boredom on line on one of the feeds I was writing and, and saying it's not that I don't have anything to do. It's just that I don't want to do the things that I have to do. I want to have more choice?

Kym Kraljevic 1:06
It's It's so and if they had the option to do those things they wanted to do, they probably wouldn't do them anyway, you know that feeling where you always want what you can't sort of have and that's one of the things that I'm reflecting on in this time is how great it's going to feel to do those everyday things once this is kind of either over or in the next phase or whatever, just imagine how we're going to feel the first time we get to go on a holiday on a plane again.

I I talked about that the other day, and I said, you know, right now i'd love to go to Hawaii, go to a spa, having massages going to the beach, and it was doing all these really heavily kind of tactile, you know, connected things and but the irony is, you know, people go He could go on holiday right now, where would you go? And I'd always be like so in my head about whatever else was going on, but I'd like I don't know, I can. I don't know, you come up with something, give me some options, you know, whereas right now I'm like, I totally know what I want to do on holiday.

Fleur Hull 2:15
Yeah, I get that whole tactile thing. The like, I really miss. I mean, I know I can go to the physio and stuff under the restrictions, but I'm still a bit funny about it. So that whole idea of just having someone give me a good solid massage just to get the aches out of my neck and back and stuff as some. Yeah, I totally get that I could go to a spa for a week for sure.

Kym Kraljevic 2:42
Absolutely.

Fleur Hull 2:47
But how's your week been? Have you seen any interesting jobs or applied for anything?

Kym Kraljevic 2:52
Um, look, I've applied for things sort of consistently. Yeah, while I'm at least getting not getting as complete with objections are now getting this kind of communication back saying things like, we've had an unprecedented high volume amount of applications. And we're still reading them. So don't give up hope.

Fleur Hull 3:13
Yeah.

Kym Kraljevic 3:15
You never ever get those kind of responses. No. I'm not getting a job, not getting interviewed. I'm not really a waste. I'm not being rejected, but hey, you know, so, there's a lot of that sort of stuff going around.

Fleur Hull 3:26
It's interesting to that the HR people are communicating differently. You know, there's a there's a real carefulness and kindness.

Kym Kraljevic 3:39
Yep. And don't you think I think anyway, but the this whole HR process has been ready for a change Anyway, you know, the amount of jobs like I was talking to you about this, you know, you go on to say, Can you find these amazing jobs and, you know, I feel like half them don't really want to help.

Fleur Hull 4:01
I think in last week's episode, were chatting with each other about that.

Kym Kraljevic 4:05
Exactly. Whoo.

Fleur Hull 4:07
Yeah. I'm, I'm stunned at you know, I can see hotels, for example, advertising for marketing people. And I just, I don't know, it just I can't imagine that they would would not have a hiring freeze on in the current climate.

Kym Kraljevic 4:31
I just set process I remember like years ago I mean, I've never really gone through HR, you know, agencies much in the past maybe for some temp work like a long time ago, but I remember going to one and going booking an appointment and they'd go, what do you want to do? And like, what are your skills and like having a conversation and you'd feel like they were actually out there looking for work for you or trying to match you with the right job. Whereas in the last couple of years, maybe I've started tapping into those HR agencies. departments or whatever, it's kinda like, you know, it's like the algorithm didn't match. Yes. So you can't even get a phone call, you know, and I mean, like, that's just crazy, but you know, I guess but the term HR, human resource, yeah. It kind of does kind of lend itself to being kind of very cold and calculated.

Fleur Hull 5:19
It's good to talk about that because it's true. Do you ever look I mean, really a lot of those recruitment agents you know, they're really sales people, business development people. But it has ebbed and flowed in my observation in terms of the level of going into bat for you that they've, I've I've dealt with a couple in the last couple of years where they've really been about helping me to understand the job, prepare for the interview. You know, get get me in front of the decision makers. The other thing is probably, nearly 10 years ago when I was working in a vice chancellors office at one of the universities, and we used to get recruiters actually emailing or calling us saying, I've actually just come across this amazing applicant. I know you're not advertising any jobs, but they've come out of, you know, University in the UK. They've done all these incredible things. And I think that'd be an amazing addition to any Vice Chancellors Office or senior admin sort of role. So they're actually pitching people to us. But on the flip side, I've absolutely had a lot of experiences where you just you never hear back from the people or you hear you just don't feel like they're really interested in you. And maybe it's because of your suitability or non suitability for the role, but you'd think that'd be building their networks so that later...

Kym Kraljevic 7:09
Yes I think I touched on yet again, the whole idea that I'm a generalist and didn't have a pigeonhole. Someone I'd say to a recruiter did say that was to my detriment. She said, all I need to be able to say, Kym is an event manager, or Kym's a workplace health and safety manager, or khimsar. Yeah, I had to be a thing. And I'm like, Whoa, okay, like, I'll become a thing what thing do you want me to be? Ha ha ha.

Will it give me the job that I that? I keep sort of, I guess, you know, I keep coming back to that point about this niche versus generalist thing you know, and we have a little chat about that offline before, but yeah, I don't know. I feel like you know, we've sort of segwaid off into other territory. But yeah, the HR process, it's kind of like, interesting. I wonder if that will get a shake up because I am getting much more thoughtful kinda responses.

Fleur Hull 8:12
Great to hear. Yeah, it'd be nice to think that that continues on beyond this crazy time, but only time will tell I guess. I think I did just mention the the topic of networking, you know, in terms of the HR people, and it has been interesting in communicating to my networks that I'm doing this podcast with you. It's really interesting just having people from ages ago in my life, like, what 12 years ago when I did my masters of marketing, getting in touch with me and saying, Hey, you know, it's a crazy time and great to see you're doing something so just re-igniting those networks. I think it's hard to put yourself out there as someone who doesn't have a job. I mean, it was with really yeah, hard saying that. But people I think like we said with the HR people, I think people are in a kinder frame of mind.

Kym Kraljevic 9:14
Fleur Do you think we might at some point - not to jump the gun already on the second episode - get a recruiter on the podcast and have a chat with them.

Fleur Hull 9:25
That's a great idea.

Kym Kraljevic 9:26
And say, Come on, let's let's be, let's be Frank about the industry now.

Fleur Hull 9:32
Yeah.

Kym Kraljevic 9:33
And we can ask questions, and maybe our lovely, beautiful followers on our Facebook page and group can post questions that they've had pressing. I mean, I know I've probably got about five. So yeah, just think about getting someone in on the zoom and we will be gentle and lovely. Of course, then, of course, I feel like there is a shift and it'll be interesting if they're feeling and sitting that shift as well. And how might we move forward? Yeah, fantastic.

Fleur Hull 9:59
Yeah, I'm all over it. Yeah. Cool. I want to find someone. Yeah, I'll find someone but let me know if you've got some contacts too.

Kym Kraljevic 10:07
Yeah. Yeah, I'm in Queensland but that's what we're looking for anywhere.

Fleur Hull 10:19
Anyway, I haven't applied for any jobs this week. It's now school holidays. So it's pretty full on with keeping the kids. I've been trying to keep up with the homeschooling. Even though it's holidays. Just to keep kind of the rhythm of that in the day. But yeah, it's, it's my kids are fabulous. I'm really fortunate. I mean, there's so engaged and enthusiastic and energetic. Yeah. which creates its own challenges as well in the sense that they They, you know, want to be stimulated and challenged and interested the whole time, although having said that they are quite happy when I say to them, okay, it's time for you guys to just watch a movie, so I can get a few things done. They're pretty good about that. So the amount of food that we're going through just having everyone at home is Yeah, unbelievable, but it's, um, there seem to eat more at home than they do in their lunchbox when they're at school. But anyway, No, I'm good. I'm I'm still waiting to hear back from Centrelink on my job seeker application.

And I'm weighing up what I'm going to do whether I am going to withdraw my superannuation (retirement savings) because it is you are sort of talking about maybe you know, 20 grand out now is probably worth over 120 grand when I retire, because of the compound growth. So although I would really like to have that buffer, I'm just working out whether it is worth it.

Kym Kraljevic 12:13
So I totally get what you're saying. But I have to wonder what $120,000 will buy in another 25 years.

Fleur Hull 12:23
Yes the whole inflation thing. I mean, look where yeah, I mean, the returns have been greater than the rate of inflation. Hmm. Up to now, you know, we've had, are you still in uni super?

Kym Kraljevic 12:38
I'm going on with Australian Super with kind of like this sort of agnostic fund.

Fleur Hull 12:43
Yeah. Yeah. And uni supers had great returns. Yeah, look, who knows where it's going to come to.

Anyway, yeah. So that's sort of where I'm at. Just waiting for Centrelink so I just borrowed a bit of money off my parents. I had to get my car serviced today. So I had to borrow that off Dad. Yeah, you know, that's just the place I'm in but yeah, I have to say knowing the kids are probably going to be able to go back to school is is is very heartening for me because it means that I can get back to trying to apply for more jobs, try and earn some money through my own kind of sole trader, freelance gig.

Anyway, um, one of the things that I've been doing the last couple of weeks and we talked about this being what we, we've mentioned in Episode Two is getting to know me better. And a really interesting thing that I did was I redid the Myers Briggs Type Indicator MBTI. And I'm not sure if our listeners will have all heard of this, but it's a personality type survey that you undertake or questionnaire and it allocates you one of 16 personality types - you get a group of four letters based on the answers that you give. And each of those letters stands for where you are on the continuum in a whole range or across four continuum. The website I use was 16personalities.com. And the stunning thing that I found I always have thought because I did it about 22 years ago that I'm an ENTP which means I'm an extrovert, a intuitive a thinking and perceiving person. I'm not going to go into the detail of what that means people can look that up for themselves. I'll put some notes in the Facebook group as well. But I do remember when I did this test that I was borderline on the N and T. And I really did it and I'm actually now in a es FP according to the survey I did recently. So instead of intuitive, I'm more on the sensing side. And instead of the thinking I'm more on the feeling side, and the descriptive I used for the intp is a debater and the descriptive they use for the ESFP is a performer and or entertainer. I think they called it and that kind of made more sense to me I'm not really an argue a debater whereas Do like having a bit of an audience. As you know, I've always loved telling my stories. And here I am podcasting.

Kym Kraljevic 16:09
Just like that. Yeah. Imagine that. I know.

Fleur Hull 16:13
So anyway, I encourage everyone to try that. It's just one of the many tools that you can use to get a sense of who you are. But I'm really keen to hear about you, Kim and the exercise you were undertaking and how that went for you this week.

Kym Kraljevic 16:28
Yeah, well, I'm going to do my Myers Briggs again to actually just on that point, but Okay, so last week I talked about how not sure where I'm you know, looking for job obviously, but wanting to rethink recalibrate what's important to me and what kind of job now, you know, in the kind of like desert have no employment prospects like it's even space. So I did, I talked about how potentially I think about someone I'd like to be like someone with a career on life or something. Not much to do. And, you know, I went through a huge list and I thought of all these people that I admired I really like and I just kept going. No, actually. It was really funny. But one thing that I do love is French cinema and French TV.

I had no idea of that about you.

Yeah, one of my favorite things. I did French at university for a while and in high school, it was a thing I wanted to see but dropped it anyway, on it goes I love French. So there's a fantastic TV series called Call My Agent on Netflix. Right? And it's set in a talent agency in Paris. It's kind of like a drama, comedy. And all the agents are all like faking actors. But what they have is all their talent. All the actors they represent are the cream of French film and TV so they're real actors select Juliet Binoche and you know, Gerard Depardieu and Monica Bellucci and all these people are actually guest stars each week and they kind of play these hyper versions of themselves and it's all kind of a hijinx so that's great and I am when I was very young I studied drama and theatre and I had an agent myself for a while and you know, we do like commercials and you know, I loved doing all of that like an extra on a million different films and all sorts of stuff.

Fleur Hull 18:21
So I did know that about you, but I didn't know the French thing.

Kym Kraljevic 18:24
Yeah, it's it's always been a love of mine.

And that's just it's one of those laws you know, you don't even talk about those things. You just love doing them. So I was watching this call my agent and I was always interested in the casting process. I really loved actually going to castings and auditions I was one of those weirdos and you know rejections? Huge, but I was just like, she that was interesting, though. Like, and quite often I'd get you know, the casting agent asking me to do the lines with other people auditioning and stuff because I was quite easy with it all. Anyway, I want to call my agent. No, that's what I want to do. I'm going to be an agent. I'm going to get that back into that world. And in Paris on top of it, how fabulous I started immersing myself in all this three series of this show. And I've seen it all before. So started loving that and it was so cool.

Then I had one of those epiphany moments where I just went. Yeah, what is it? What is it about this that I'm liking after all? It's fun. It's interesting. It's some you know, they're all at the Cannes Film Festival. It's glamorous, all those things I do love like, I love French fashion and the theater and the acting. And then you know, I just went, you know what I'd be doing. I'd be playing that supporting role yet again. And the last few years of my life, I think workwise I've always been in this sort of jobs where I'm supporting other people to become amazing, whether it's in startup world or, you know, program development or supporting students to become entrepreneurs or whatever I've been doing and I kind of went, You know what, I don't think I want to be the supporting player anymore. I think I want to be the star. So I'm shelving the whole idea of becoming a theatrical actors agent in Paris.

Fleur Hull 20:08
Wow! What a great process to go through. Is it amazing to see something in you though, that that does. And there's a bit of that in me as well, like actually helping people and organizations to reach their potential. That's my real passion.

Yeah. I agree. There's this other side, then you think, Well, why would I be doing that when I could just be? I think it's, maybe it's a little bit of risk aversion in us, I think. So. We don't want to be the star in case we get rejected. So we can just be the person behind the scenes.

Kym Kraljevic 20:46
That's why Yeah, it's a little bit it's a little bit easier, and it's not not as risky. I think that's what it is. Yeah, it takes a little less having to be, you know, push yourself and you really have to look at your own stuff. self esteem and that's probably something I really, really need to look at anyway,

Fleur Hull 21:03
I think we all do.

Kym Kraljevic 21:05
Exactly, you know, like, on an ongoing basis. Yeah. Something that came through really strongly for me in this exercise was one, I actually want to do something as the main person. And then on top of it, as I went through all of that, I came to me that actually want to do something quite, you know, like, globally extraordinary. Like there's actually this fire in me. It's never burnt out that actually wants to do something, you know, like, I don't want you know, I mean, I you know, I can easily talk myself into this really cute old country town and pay the mortgage. I'll just, you know, travel on, but there's actually a part of me that goes, No, I want something immensely big. And I want to have that glimpse. And again, I mentioned this last week, this inspirational moments that give me a glimpse into these bigger, more successful worlds. I clearly want to have a glimpse and have a crack at.

So in doing all of that, sort of thinking about all the sort of startups and business ideas I've had and worked on in the past, and I thought, you know, all the brilliant businesses like Airbnb and Reddit and all these in the world, you know, where did what did they do? How did they get that push? or How did they get that skill? And I think, you know, download startup design, thinking lean Canvas, lots of stuff, but I kind of wanted to get some kind of push or motivation. And I thought, when all these you know, the Airbnb founders go, what did they do? And of course, it's Y Combinator out of San Francisco. It's a sort of startup accelerator program. So it's the best in the world And it's quite famous in those circles, right startup ecosystem. Yes. And I thought, well, that's the best. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to the best. So I googled them whenever I wanted to see what they're up to. And of course, they've got a program that you can join. But they also have a thing called startup school, eight weeks, completely free. It's amazing. It's online. And it's all about, you know, getting your ideas out, and all your minimum viable product and all this kind of stuff, right, but oh, my God, they've got all these resources. It's insane.

So you can do that eight week startup school for free. And then what you can do is apply to go into their fully fledged program. And I don't think it actually even costs anything but they do expect you to spend a bit of time in San Francisco because it's very immersive and intensive. And they're also venture capitalists as well. So So what they've invested in is kind of the biggest and the best but again, I think we are definitely share Y Combinator as well web address, because there's this sensational program that you can Do, that's amazing. And like I said, I've done operated in this space quite a bit on and off. But, you know, you when you hear something, it's like, it's new thinking, like, I've heard that before. And the anti jargon, because that startup world can be, it can be a little bit of an ecosystem that is a little bit, you know, unless you're in and, you know, you know, the words to use and it can be inpenetrable. Yes.

Fleur Hull 24:27
It's, it's intimidating.

Kym Kraljevic 24:30
It is. Well, they're anti that Oh, and you got, and I was like, I love you people. So that was my I started with who do I want to pretend to be this week? Yeah. Sort of enrolled myself in the world's best startup school.

Fleur Hull 24:47
Well, I can totally see you during that. Yeah. And actually see you and you know what I said to you, when we were talking about getting this podcast up, you have one of my favorite brains in the world. You Now you do you're just the way and I think it comes to it really points to that idea of kind of high level generalist that you've got experience across so many different areas and and can pull pull a lot of different strange things together bits of data and information and make something coherent, useful and successful out of it. And yeah, I could it could see you yeah being world world world big global our global Kym. And I'm really glad you found this. Y Combinator.

Do you know what actually the Australian Government should be getting so many of the unemployed people to be doing something like that, rather than have you looked into this whole short course thing that they're proposing. So for those of you who don't know or not in Australia, the Federal government's supposedly going to allow the universities to provide short courses at discounted rates like a graduate certificate if you've done a degree already or a pre University certificate for six months to what was the quote instead of people binging on Netflix, they can binge on study. That's right now it's a really great idea in principle, but I've been reading up on the the policy analysts view on it, and there's just there's nothing in it for the universities to do it because they get less funding than they would for a student already enrolled. So it's less profitable in a time when their incomes are down by the idea that someone could be doing something as as amazing as this startup school is that you feel that way inclined. I mean, not everyone wants to have been entrepreneur for has that way of thinking, I guess. But there would be some out there who definitely, you know, would have thought of starting up their own businesses. So, yeah, absolutely direct people to that. That's a great find.

Kym Kraljevic 27:19
And on that the universities thing, I stopped that I'm like, oh, where which universities? which courses? And where's the information? And it seems like it was a great media release, like, you know, Hey, no Netflix study, but in terms of the actual content of actually doing it, but still very sparse on the ground. So please, tell me if you find information. I mean, you would assume it would be things they're already offering. They'd be pulling them together into graduate certificates or whatever.

Fleur Hull 27:57
Well, the universities still get they still get the subsidy, you know that they did for all Commonwealth supported places. But yeah. Because the fee that the students paying is less. Yeah. And there's no legislation. It's outside of the legislation, the higher education support act all of this. So, yeah, it has to be legislated to work. And that's not going to happen because Parliament's out. So yeah, look, it's a bit of a mess. But I think the idea is very good. I just think they didn't think very hard about it. They'd be better off giving people a voucher. Exactly. And then and then they enroll in things that the universities are already doing.

Kym Kraljevic 28:56
Yeah, all private providers, a lot of private providers have got really, really good courses - general assembly is amazing. Tech startup marketing, multimedia, whatever you want to do. They do extraordinary work, amazing. Fantastic rates of placement as well for graduates out of that.

Fleur Hull 29:15
Yeah, I'm a big fan of LinkedIn learning. It's obviously not accredited. But to get those skills, you know, whether it's PowerPoint or Adobe Illustrator or Excel. Yep. Coding with Python you know, go the Python, all of that. I'm a big a big fan of that one. And it's certainly a lot less than $1250. So, but anyway, yes. So well, Kym, what an amazing journey. So did they did they start this this startup school regularly or is it just rolling over?

Kym Kraljevic 30:01
I've just signed in to get and I'm accessing all the free content. So I am exploring the full realm of, you know, what I what I need to do exactly. But at the moment, I've just got there's like lectures online that you can do. Which, you know, so far have been fantastic. They very, you know, they push they've, they're really clear about what the intention is a little too, which I really like. It's like, launch fast. You know, they don't say fail fast. They launch fast. Yeah, let's launch fast and set some real tangible goals. And the difference with a, you know, a startup in that term startup versus a small business for them is that they're hyper growth, fast, fast growth moving businesses. Yeah. And, you know, you're sort of metrics of measurement growth, you know, like they quite frank about it all, which is great.

So It's been really interesting. So I'll definitely put some links up to what I have found. And even if it's just a matter of going through during the free content, the program, I think the official program that you apply for starts in June. I mean, I think they get applicants from all over the world. I mean, they'll be they're inundated with applications for that, of course.

So it'd be interesting to see how they're planning to do it. This year. Yeah.

Exactly. I guess the good thing about tech startup world is that, you know, you can be the remote geek.

You're here but they want you to come to San Fran.

Exactly. Yeah. That is directly Yeah, face to face immersion sort of work. But yeah, we'll see how that goes. But yeah, meanwhile, I can definitely share some links about that.

Fleur Hull 31:54
Interesting to hear about the learning experience.

Kym Kraljevic 31:58
We wanted to talk about personal values today didn't we?

And I've been doing a bit of exploring, I guess I've done this from time to time, over the years to get a sense of what it is that I'm what I value in my life, what my values are, and also what my priorities are. And I think sometimes I, I've been I've got the two mixed up occasionally, so did this sort of list of the things that that I wanted to value in my life and it was more like a list of priorities around. You know, family is number one for me, and health and friends, and then things like freedom and then my work, my work comes down the list, because it's just a means to an end.

Fleur Hull 32:56
When you think about what would you prioritize if one of my children is sick that's obviously goes way ahead of, you know, a meeting I've got an attempt for work. Yeah. So But yeah, I did some exploring of, there's a whole lot of content online and I'll share some links around just getting lists of values and working out from those lists the words that appeal to you things like honesty, integrity, generosity, kindness. You know, the things that really drive your goals setting and your actions in your life. And the desire I guess, for intrinsic rather than extrinsic motivation and rewards, that's something that I've been focusing on so thinking really about what is what is it inside me that you know, lights the fire, like you were talking about with this idea of exploring, being a theatrical agent and the next realizing well, that that speaks to one part of what you want to do. But actually the real fire in your belly is around being the star. Right? Of some entity.

Kym Kraljevic 34:14
Yeah, I think that's about leadership. Keep going on.

Fleur Hull 34:24
So I'm trying to pull together some stuff. And again, I'll put it on the, the Facebook group and share it to the Twitter feed as well. In terms of how you can set up a system, I guess even of managing your time on a daily or weekly basis that starts with thinking about your values. And instead of getting caught up with stuff that is not really about getting you to where you want to be actually setting your timetable. And your schedule for your day and your week and the actions that you will take to direct you towards the things that you value. So, and helping you to, you know, yeah to work out like, you know, is is your desire to to be. Yeah, the leader, you know, leadership is a value isn't that it's just you. You want to pursue a life a professional life that involves you leading and inspiring others.

Kym Kraljevic 35:33
Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. And I think, I don't know if I've ever done that. You know, I probably had jobs where I was the manager or something, but not purely in that real leadership kind of style. And I think that sort of will reveal a lot about you know, the values and what it takes to be a good leader guess and that that trip down that road. Whether it is that leadership may push me down some other path, you know, well, actually there's this quality of leadership that's more interesting to me than that global success or something, you know. So I think this is an endless little journey down the different little parts of the river, you know, like, I'm going down this way, but I might actually get pulled down this way. And I think just going with it at the moment. Absolutely.

Fleur Hull 36:23
Yeah. That is the beauty and we talked last week about the freedom that a time like this affords a lot of people because - and we're sounding very first world and very privileged, it's a stressful thing, money. There's no two ways about it. But for me, at least I'm not you know, I'm not homeless. I do have some choices. And in terms of exploring where I want to go, I mean, especially assuming that I get Centrelink welfare benefits - that way At least my expenses are going to be covered. And I'm not going to have to keep you know, drawing down on my mortgage and stuff like that to get by or borrowing money off my parents, which is pretty tough to ask when you're 40 years old. Yeah. You know, and I am fortunate that Well, they've got money because they're not going away on cruises.

Kym Kraljevic 36:24
See, there's a silver lining!

Fleur Hull 36:51
They won't be going on a cruise ship again. You know, it was their favorite thing, you know, to do every couple of years, mum loved it because she just unpacked once.

Kym Kraljevic 37:51
Yeah.

Yeah. So it wasn't like a lot of holidays where you kind of, you know, a few days here a few days there and you're kind of having to pack up again and make sure you don't forget anything and all that. But yes, so yeah, they've got, you know, a little bit of spare change to help me pay for my car service. But, but what I was getting at was the liberty of our situation, even though we're unemployed, it does give you a chance to take stock and work out what it is you really want to do and achieve. So I think, but more, we're just running out of time. So in talking more about the process of aligning actions with values on the next episode. Yeah. Was there anything else you wanted to talk about before we wrap it up?

I'm looking at my notes because I've started doing voice recordings this week to set reminders. Yeah. And to transcribe them. So I wouldn't say I fully did them. But I use like, you know, online post it notes. So as I listen back, I just take down different points and you know, sort of take it down that way. And it was kind of good. I did it. I did one in a paddock. And there's lots of horse noises in the background. So when I listen back to I'll kind of enjoy that. I'm going to continue on this exploring journey in terms of the startup stuff in the program, the Y Combinator stuff, continue with my job applications, because I have to just, you know, I kind of feel like I'm just putting them out in the ether, though, to be honest, like, I feel like if it goes, I wonder if it'll come back.

Fleur Hull 39:45
It's a bit demoralizing, isn't it?

Kym Kraljevic 39:48
That's the hard part. So even though I'm still doing that, I feel like yeah, this other part of you know, let me explore who I am - it does sound kind of first world that it's kind of does actually counteract. I'm typing up this thing and pushing it out into the ether. And I'll never hear back from it ever again. So it is a little bit of a, you know, positivity on the other side of it. But yes, I'm just going to keep going with that. But I think aligning values and actions is an awesome, awesome topic.